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Comment from: luckybee [Member]
Usefull blog.
I bought lead by your comment the Pentax Takumar F 70-200 4-5.6 for my IstDL2. And i must say it was not a dissapointment. I paid 40 Euro for it. Not much and inclusive a UV filter from B+W.

I agree with your comment on the Takumar zoom 28-80. I got that one with my Pentax SfXn. I mostly used my old M 35mm. 3.5 with K-adaptor.

Thanks for the usefull links.

Luuk Bosker

06/03/06 @ 12:08
Comment from: paul boadle [Visitor]
thanks for the very useful info.I have just bought the k10 camera with the new sigma 17-70 2.8 lens...great photos but want a telephoto and an old 55mm for portraits....thanks again
paul boadle
01/28/07 @ 03:30
Comment from: DC Chhayanat [Visitor]
Do the 1.4x-l and the 1.7x-AF converters work properly with the 400mm 5.6 smcp-m lens? And with the 80-200 4.5 smcp-m zoom lens? For convenience, please give separate answers for each lens and converter Thanks for your trouble.
01/28/07 @ 13:34
Comment from: Mark Cassino [Member] Email · http://www.markcassino.com
Thanks for your question.

The SMC 1.4x-L and 2x-L teleconverters are compatible with a limited number of lenses. These teleconverters have a 'snout' so to speak that extends up into the lens. This results in really great integration with the lens they are working with - BUT the 'L' teleconverters will only mount on lenses designed to work with them. I do not believe that either of the lenses you mention - the 400mm f 5.6 A or 80-200 f4.5 are compatible with the 'L' teleconverters. You might want to look into the availability of an "S" converter for these, since it does not have the extension that causes problems fitting the TC onto the lens.

(For a picture of the 'L' teleconverters see Bojidar Dimitrov's Pentax K-Mount Page at http://www.bdimitrov.de/kmp/)

The 1.7x teleconverter will physically fit onto any K-Mount lens (as far as I know). This is an autofocus adapter - the elements within the teleconverter move around and enable some degree of autofocus. It's great with a fast 50mm. It's of limited use with longer and slower lenses. I use one on the A* 400 f 2.8 and the autofocus aspect of the teleconverter is enough to get the image to "snap" into focus - but not much more than that. I don't know how well it would work for autofocusing with either the 400 f 5.6 or the 80-200 f 4.5. Aside from the auto-focus capability, it should work well as just a teleconverter - though I would advise against using any teleconverter on any zoom.

You might want to post your question on the Pentax Discussion Mail List (PDML). It's a real font on knowledge on Pentax gear - www.pdml.net.

Good luck!
01/29/07 @ 18:30
Comment from: Baybars [Visitor]
Thanks for the reviews. I am interested in Tokina 100-300mm f/4 AT-X Af and Af II. From the reviews I came in to a conclusion that this lens is optically same for both versions. I am an advanced amateur nature photographer and I have used Sigma 400mm f/5.6 APO Macro AF for most of my bird shots. But there are many times that I need shorter focal lenghts and thats why I keep an eye on the Tokina 100-300mm f/4 AT-X nowadays. There are not much reviews and tests for this lens. Finally I have found yours. From your valuable experience I want to learn if the optical quality may satisfy my needs. I will attach a Kenko 1.4x Pro300 AF-D teleconverter for the bird shots. Is it possible to obtain good results even when this teleconverter attached? Can you compare the sharpness of this lens to Sigma 400mm f/5.6 Apo Macro AF or Sigma70-200mm f/2.8 Apo AF?
Many thanks in advance.
03/08/07 @ 08:29
Comment from: Mark Cassino [Member] Email · http://www.markcassino.com
Thanks for the comment, Baybars.

Regarding the Tokina ATX 100-300 f4: Like I said, I found it to be good, but not outstanding. I did not use the lens a lot but it was soft wide open, but sharp at f8. The build quality was outstanding. I had the old manual focus version of this lens – I don’t know if that is the same optical formula as the AF version. I sold the Tokina off in favor of the Pentax SMC 80-320, f4-5.6 – which I would consider to be a better lens. Neither of these zoom lenses are on par with the Sigma APO 400 f5.6 macro.

I’d be cautious about using a teleconverter with any zoom. At any rate – it’s almost impossible to predict how any given teleconverter will work with any given lens. When you put on a TC you are really mixing two distinct sets of optics together, and there’s no telling if they will work well together or simply accentuate each other’s flaws.

A coupel of final thoughts re the Tokina 100-300: first, check the minimum focusing distance. I think it was pretty close for this lens and that’s good. But some zooms have pretty long minimum focusing distances. If you want a 300mm lens to shoot a bird that is too close to get with your Sigma 400, but your 300mm lens has a 4 meter minimum focusing distance… that might not work. Also – if you are planning on using the Tokina on a digital SLR you might need to check into what, if any, chromatic aberrations it introduces. DSLRs are much more sensitive to that, and lenses that were fine for film may not work so well with them.

HTH –

MCC
03/09/07 @ 08:15
Comment from: Baybars [Visitor]
Dear Mark, thank you very much for your help.
03/11/07 @ 11:19
Comment from: Leopoldo Gamero [Visitor]
Is your Tokina 400mm Sd the one with the red line and manual focus? I am testing with a *istDL and I have mixed results.
03/15/07 @ 19:59
Comment from: Mark Cassino [Member] Email · http://www.markcassino.com
I have the auto-focus, ATX version. It has the red line and the "SD" designation, but also is labelled "ATX". I believe there was an earlier version without the "ATX" designation, that was not as good.
03/16/07 @ 17:48
Comment from: Eva [Visitor] · http://cleohubo.livejournal.com/
Very good site, thank you! Bookmarked :)
04/22/07 @ 19:42
Comment from: John Moore [Visitor]
Helpful site, thanks! Did you ever try out the Ricoh XR Rikenon 50mm f2? I got one with a camera bought on eBay but haven't tried it out yet (unfortunately the distance scale has been worn away, making hyperfocal focussing and DOF calculation a bit trickier).
06/12/07 @ 13:02
Comment from: Mark Cassino [Member] Email · http://www.markcassino.com
Thanks, John! I still haven't tried the Rikenon 50mm f2.0. If you have a chance to test it out, I'd be interested in hearing how it does.

- MCC

06/13/07 @ 22:04
Comment from: Phil Bunnell [Visitor] Email
Hi Mark.
Thank you for the info /link to Pentax Mail list. Duh! If I want Pentax opinions, why not go to the source.

I'm intersted in TC's. But after reading your thoughts, I'm hesitant.
I have an istDS2 the DA 18-50 50-200. So far I love the range I have.

I want bigger better 300-500 ability and want to make the correct
choice. You seem to love your SMC 400 macro, and if I can source on I'd probably
get it.

Regards,

Phil B - ( pBunny )
09/02/07 @ 13:23
Comment from: Tom [Visitor] Email · http://I don't have one
I found your site while looking for an answer to this
question. I have several Ricoh lenses that came with a
Ricoh Auto TLS EE 35 mm film camera. Can you tell me
what, if any, new digital 35 mm SLR can accomodate these
lenses? You mention Pentax, I think, as a possibility but
I'm not sure.Any help would be nice as I am very new to
digital photography.Thanks,and you have a great site,I
really enjoyed looking at your work as well.
01/17/08 @ 18:05
Comment from: Mark Cassino [Member] Email · http://www.markcassino.com
Hi Tom –

Thanks for your question. Let’s start with a warning – Ricoh program lenses are not compatible with Pentax auto focus bodies – either film or digital. Unless the lens is modified, it will jam on the body, requiring a trip to the repair shop to get the lens off. I know – I’ve done it! Read the “Note On Ricoh Lens Compatibility” section in the main article above. So proceed with caution and do not attempt to mount a Ricoh program lens onto any Pentax autofocus body – film or digital. If you are not sure if the lens is a program lens or not, find someone who can identify it. I believe that the program lenses have a green “P” on them, but I’m not sure that covers all the bases. So be careful!

Having said that… the Pentax DSLR’s would be an option that could allow you to use your Ricoh lenses.

There are limitations. First off, if you have program lenses you would have to remove the contact on the lens that causes it to jam on the body. I did this with a Ricoh 50mm f1.7 and it works fine on my Pentax Digital SLR bodies. Obviously, the lens will no longer work in program mode on the Ricoh cameras if this modification is made.

The second set of limitations involve the DSLR and working with a non-auto lens. This combination works, but the Pentax DSLR’s need a Pentax “A” or later lens to accurately meter with the aperture open. The cameras lacks the mechanics to read the aperture settings on older, non-auto lenses, so when you use any Ricoh lens, or older, pre-Auto Pentax lens, the newest cameras cannot engage in open aperture metering.

The solution that Pentax came up with is to use stop down metering. You put the lens on the camera, put the camera on manual mode, and set the aperture to the desired F-Stop. You then press a button on the camera and it stops down the lens, takes a light reading, and sets the shutter speed accordingly. On my *ist-D and K10D the green “hypermanual” button performs this function. To get this to work you also have to drill into the settings menu on the camera and configure it to work when the lens aperture ring is set to something other than “A”. Also – my original *ist-D required a firmware update before it could do this.

I just took a couple of quick snaps using my modified Ricoh 50mm f 1.7 lens on both my *ist-D and K 10D. Once everything was configured properly, the stop down metering worked fine. I don’t know if every Pentax DSLR model supports this – but these two do.

There are obvious limitations but it’s a work around that does let you use the older lenses, and non-Pentax K mount lenses as well. Just be very cautious regarding Ricoh program lenses, or they will get stuck on the camera.

As painful as it might be, you might want to consider just upgrading to a new camera system. The Pentax DSLR’s have a 1.5x crop factor, which means that your Ricoh lenses will work like lenses with 1.5 times the marked focal length. So, for example, on a Pentax DSLR, your 50mm lens results in an angle of view similar to a 75 mm lens on a film body. So while you may be able to use the Ricoh lenses, the range of focal lengths may no longer be as appealing. I can only speak to the Pentax brand, but the 18-55mm zoom (equivalent to a 27 – 82mm 35mm film lens) is not bad and is included in the DSLR kits for a modest increase in price over the cost of the body alone.

I hope this helps!

- MCC

01/18/08 @ 11:28
Comment from: Karl Persson [Visitor] Email
Thanks for a great page! I have a pentax k10d an i´m thinking of buying a ricoh camera with two lenses on ebay. It´s a ricoh xr-2s with a XR Rikenon 1:2, 50mm L and
a XR Rikenon 1.2.8, 28mm. Will these lenses fit on my k10d without any modifications and do you know anything about the quality of the body. Thanks/ Karl Persson in Gothenburg, Sweden
02/29/08 @ 15:52
Comment from: Mark Cassino [Member] Email · http://www.markcassino.com
Hi Karl –

As long as those are not program lenses, they should fit on the K10D fine. The Ricoh program lenses have a green “P” on the aperture ring. The program lenses are the lenses that get stuck on Pentax auto-focus camera bodies. If you look at the back of the lens, the contact that would jam the lens onto the body is roughly opposite the red dot that is used to align the lens with the camera mount. If there is a contact there, the lens will am on a Pentax AF body. If these lenses are contemporary with the XR-2s body, they probably don’t have contacts and will work fine on the K10D. Just check them out.

I have the XR Rikenon 28 1:2.8 and like it a lot – though I have not used it with the K10D, only film bodies.

I didn’t talk about the Ricoh film bodies in my post, but I really like them. I had an XR-2 and it was a sweet camera – I liked it a lot. It had a lot of features that you don’t find in many bodies – like mirror pre-fire through the self timer switch, DOF preview, PC jacks for external strobes, even a lever that dropped a louvered blind over the finder, so light entering from the eyepiece would not affect the exposure reading. It’s one heck of a nice camera.

I believe the XR-2s had a solar power feature – I think that is what the “s” stands for. It also runs on batteries. You can find a complete on-line manual for this camera here:

http://www.butkus.org/chinon/ricoh/xr-2s/xr-2s.htm

Good luck!

- MCC

03/01/08 @ 17:50
Comment from: Glenn brath [Visitor] Email
how do you think this lens: Ricoh XR Rikenon 28mm f2.8 (K Compatible)

Compares to this one:

Vivitar 28mm f2.8 MC Wide angle Lens, Pentax K fit
11/30/09 @ 07:22

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